Our Lady of Guadalupe

Lot’s of people know about the shroud of Turin, but not  as many know the story of the Tilma of Juan Diego, Our Lady of Guadalupe

  • there is no scientific explanation for the 478 years of high quality-preservation of the Tilma
  • the explosion of a bomb near the Tilma in 1921.  Dr. Orozco recalled that the explosion broke the marble floor and widows 150 meters from the explosion, but “unexpectedly, neither the Tilma nor the normal glass that protected the Tilma was damaged or broken.”
  • In 1929, a microscopic figure was discovered in the eyes of the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe. Since then, the mystery of her pupils has challenged science. later as microscopes got better they found more figures
  • It is not painted, and no one yet knows how it was stamped on Juan Diego’s tilma.
  • The law of gravity does not allow a single flimsy cotton thread to bind two heavier materials of cloth for more than ten years, much less four hundred and fifty

“Stephen, some of these messages, BECAUSE they are approved by the Novus Ordo church, are false, I believe. For instance, the message of Our Lady of America has heresy on page 12 where “divine humanity” is spoken of. Another note: the message of Akita, Japan is almost forced on us by the church. I believe it is also false.” from Reed my roomate and fellow seeker who gave me some of my starting links


link to the Wiki page (beware wiki disinfo), here is the official link to the temple where this happened

Basically what happened was this, this peasant farmer Juan Diego was walking through the woods and had 3 visions of Mary telling him that he was to tell the bishop she wanted a temple built for her on that spot, the bishop doesn’t believe him and demands proof, the third time she tells Juan to gather roses (in the winter high on a hill, which happen to be roses from the european town where the Bishop is from)

He gathers them folds them up in his very flimsy peasant apron type thing called a tilma, and when he unrolls his tilma in front of the bishop, this image you see here was glowing on it. there are many amazing things about this tilma, just for starters, the shadowing on her face is not made with pigments but with actual imperfections in the weave of the fabric, also if you zoom in on her eye you can see microscopic versions of the people in the room.

this thing is quite amazing, i could go on for a long time on the miraculousness of it.

First of all just because something is miraculous does not automatically make it from God, the devil is quite capable of many things.  I’m definitely not saying this is so in this instance, but i would like to throw up some controversial  viewpoints on this

1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth: and was in pain to be delivered. “]full version Our Lady of Guadalupethe Woman of the Apocalypse from Revelations is thought to maybe be a reference to this image.

here’s a strange page that seems to deal with this subject

here’s a link to a guy who very badly talks about this subject, he has some valid points but gets trapped in his own I’m right your wrong cloud of offensive language and no tact whatsoever.

here is a forum thread on miraculous image of the tilma in Guadalupe

here’s a link to a very anti Mary blog

more anti Mary

to top it all off there are some who believe along these lines:

The concept of the goddess Tonantzin or the Virgin of Guadalupe, on the other hand, represents another kind of truth, a religious or spiritual truth. The latter we may describe as Absolute Truth because it remains absolute and unchanging regardless of individual opinion.

The first deals with concrete or factual evidence, such as textual analysis or archaeological artifacts, the second with theology, metaphysics, and matters of belief or faith. These two approaches to truth are not necessarily confrontational but may in fact be complimentary.

Accordingly, the ancient Aztec belief in Tonantzin and the Christian faith in the Virgin Mary are not necessarily contradictory.

That’s all from a Mexican Tourism site called Mexconnect